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intellectual who consolidated and continued the legacy of john paul ii. a boulder more confident catholic church, more willing to engage in public debates, but part of benedict's legacy will inevitably the scandals on his watch. particularly the exploding sex abuse scandals across the catholic world, not just in the west and the united states, but other parts of the world, and also the -- the massive vatican leak scandal that rocked this place in the last couple of years, which led to sort of internal meltdown in terms of the aberrations of the place so on the one hand, a strong, confident leader, who presided, whether it's his fault or force of circumstance, over some of the most serious scandals ever to rock the vatican, an important and mixed legacy. >> john, you mentioned -- according to you and people who watch this very, very closely. much more closely than the rest of us really, he been giving some signs, signals, laying the ground work for the possibility of resignation. and he had some health issues as well and that could come as news to some people. we've seen a pope. most peopl
another pope could change the rule. john paul ii is the one who put that into place. >> just speculation a lot of names being floated. who seems to be the top contenders. >> players keep changing. everybody seems to focus on an italian. he's the president of the council for culture. there's also cardinal who is the archbishop of milan. very much like pope benedict. another out of canada he hadz a powerful congregation of the bishops. also another italian president of the italian bishop's conference. >> also cardinal turkson of ghana. >> he would be the first african pope. i have been watching the video here and we have seen kind of pictures of cardinal turk son. also there's another african that has been speculated at the last conclave. he could possibly be the first african pope. now he is over 80 and chances are he won't elect him because of his age. after the pope steps down because of his aging pope at age 85 they are not going to go with an older pope. they will have someone who has stamina of running the church and also being the shepherd of souls. >> with all of the talk the first
pope in hundreds of years. elected in 2005, he succeeded john paul ii. there have been recent concerns about his health and he's needed help walking, but a vatican spokesperson insists he's not facing anything grave. the cardinals will elect his replacement and hope that can happen by holy week. >> they're looking for someone to preserve the court teachings of the church and be a faith in the church. >> reporter: holy watchers say there doesn't appear to be a front runner. many wonder if the time has come for a non-european leader. >> and more reaction now. an event so rare, it hasn't happened in 600 years. there is shock and appreciation for his bold move. tom fitzgerald gathered reaction from cardinals to parishioners. safe to say no one saw this coming. >> reporter: you're right. in fact, the cardinal told reporters here in washington that he recently visited the pope in rome and that the holy water gave no hint what -- father gave no hint what he was thinking about. after seven years, pope benedict xvi's relatively brief papacy, the end of which is being met with surprise. >> to si
april 2005 who took over for the immensely popular pope john paul ii. his papacy has been marked by controversy. the pope criticized for how he handled the situation in his prior jobs when he was archbishop in germany and later a top vatican official. on a visit to america in 2008, he became the first pope to meet with the victims themselves. on a lighter note, benedict has become known as his personal idiosyncracies like his bright red shoes. he's been using a moveable platform to carry him down the aisle of st. peters basilica. this morning after he made his announcement, he was helped down from his chair. while this is a surprise the pope has said in the past that he reserved the right to resign if he felt too old to perform his duties. what's next? he still hopes to serve the church through a life dedicated to prayer. elizabeth, back to you. >> greg, good morning to you. lot of people really surprised by the announcement this morning. some cardinals in the audience didn't understand what pope benedict was saying? >> that's also true. one of those occasions in rome the pope ac
is 85 years old. he became pope in 2005 after the baeth of john paul ii. likely take place before the end of march. the last pope to resign was way back in the 1200s 13th century. major headline today pope benedict xvi has announced he is resigning at the end of this month. much more on this to come throughout the morning. >> 7:30 right now. folks waking up to wet weather. >> a little bit of rain moving through overnight. the wet roadways will slow things down. but temperatures in the mid 30s, at least we're not doing ice. let's get to the maps. most of the vain now to the east. still pressing just east of the bay there out towards saint michaels. still getting rain showers. however, here locally in the metro area, up and down the 95 correspond door, we're generally done with the rain. not going to be a beautiful day. clouds for most of the day. for the most part, most of the measurable rain has pushed east of the bay. it will be east of those areas the next hour or two. let me show you the bigger picture. the bottom line is we have a warm front into the area later today. you are
. >> and john paul would have been. >> a movie star. >> that gives you a sense of the different temperaments. yet the emotion that is now being really demonstrated as these cardinals say farewell face to face for the last time, all of them kissing the fisherman's ring which we know will be defaced and destroyed which benedict xvi's papacy ends. >> that's right. there are two instruments of the papal office, one is the ring and one is the official papal seal. the seal is kept in a safe in an office in the vatican. of course in the middle ages as you know, christiane be these were what were used to stamp paper bulls. which made them official. after a papacy had ended, someone might use the instruments to falsify papal documents. that's where the custom of destroying them came from. that will be honored at the end of benedict's papacy as well. >> thank you. we'll continue to watch this with all of you. back to you, john and zoraida in new york. >> it is interesting to see this as history is being made at the vatican. pope benedict xvi saying good-bye to the cardinals who have assembled and many
suffering is meant to respond to that. he's well aware of what john paul ii did, for instance, stay in office until the very end, suffering physically. and in an extreme and public way was legitimate. he's saying, given the situation -- >> and as you look back over his -- >> such that he's -- so far. >> excuse me, father. as you look back over his papacy, what will he will remembered most for? >> i think he'll be remembered, above all, as a teaching pope for his books about the life, his encyclicals. the books about the life of jesus have been profound. it will take years to unpack all of the profundity of his thought. he's done a great service to the church already in his service to john paul ii. >> father john wauck, thank you very much. the first pope to have an account on twitter. >> the first pope ever to tweet. he's 85 years old. pope john paul ii was 84 when he died. wlerned after he died he considered twice resigning because of his ill health. this sets up a political process with the conclave electing the next pope. dan harris joining us on this discussion. it was a quick p
benedict who stepped in and became pope after pope john paul ii, the iconic pope of the 20th century, stepped down. of course, pope john paul ii had been pope since 1979. and so, of course, his impact felt not only in the religious world but also the political world. pope benedict, though, never really, of course, given the chance to emerge from the shadows. and it seems that for a good bit of his time, he was dogged by allegations that came through the child abuse scandal throughout certainly before his reign. he was constantly being dogged by questions regarding that. but mark halperin, an iconic figure replaced by pope benedict who has had a very short tenure and now is stepping down in a way that a lot of popes don't step down before they die. >> short tenure, and it's going to be scrutinized for some of the issues you raised. to me now thinking forward, it's going to be a very big story for catholics and others around the world including the question of will it be another european? there's going to be pressure to look to another region of the country as there was last time. i th
is going to resign his position. the end of the month. and, you know, he succeeded john paul ii who has rushed to make a saint. wrongly so, i think. not that he doesn't deserve it. you need some time. also the pope has said this is not the first -- not the first pope to retire. popes can retire. we are used to popes dying in. right? and most of them have. but a little quick research as we were getting ready to come on the air which is why i am not fully in uniform yet this morning. i will take care of this right now, the last pope i could find to resign was pope gregory xii. >> i don't remember him. >> bill: you wouldn't. back in the 15th century around 1415 or so there have been maybe a half a dozen popes to resign. he is the last one i could find. >> wow. >> yeah. there are a lot of explanations out there on twitter, supposedly for the vatican sort of indirectly saying it's for health reasons. he doesn't have the strength to serve in this role any more. so we don't know exactly what that means. there were rumors when he would resign when his butler wa
political relevant today in some ways that it's ever been. think about it. we saw during john paul's reign that he played a central role in the collapse of european communism by inspiring the solidarity movement in poland. the people's power movement in the philippines that brought down the marxist regime would never have happened without the political involvement of the catholic church. scholars these days are writing books about the revenge of god, that religion is making a comeback as a political player. two-thirds of the 1.2 billion catholics in the world today live outside the west, and most live in societies where religion is critically important, so, yeah, i would say there's still some gas left in the church's political gas tank. >> john, real quickly, only a couple of seconds left here, but what do you know specifically in regards to what they are looking for for a pope? stances on abortion, same-sex marriage, that kind of thing. >> reporter: well, all these cardinals have been appointed by john paul and benedict so they are all in agreement on the main. of course they are looking
, especially considering that he comes after john paul ii, a man at 85 who was able to neither walk or speak really was mumble, towards the end of his life. pope benedict is saying i don't have it anymore. i don't have the strength anymore to bear the -- my mission to carry on the catholic church. >> claudio, is there concern or some speculation that there might be more to the story than that? is there some concern that in fact, there is some health situation that we are not aware of? >> there is a concern. pope benedict xvi has been weak. we never really got his health situation from the vatican. the vatican has always been very secretive about the health of any pope really. we don't really know the extent of the health problems that pope benedict xvi might be suffering right now. but certainly or hopefully we will get to know much more during the next hours. >> talk to me about how the process unfolds. i any a lot of us are familiar with what happens in the tragic event or unfortunate event that a pope passes away. but what would the process be like now if he has now told the world that
to meet the pope then john paul the 2nd. then what happened happened and my mother found herself representing bill clinton to the pope. >> how exciting for her. >> it was a challenge. >> i guess it was. >> e.j. this morning quotes somebody who says the most noted earnize i earnizing -- modernizing thing this pope did was to retire, get out of the way. could it be at this modern age a pope just can't afford to be seen frail and weakened in the 24/7 news cycle? are we moving beyond the days? >> i don't think that's necessarily true. john paul felt strongly he wanted the world to see him in a sickened state because that was humanity. that he was setting an example of someone who was frail and feeble and carrying on. i think this pope, you know, has decided to set a different example. we'll see what this precedent means. does it mean future popes have to be pushed out? does he have influence after a new pope is manamed? we're in unchartered waters. >> and in quite a while, we'll see -- >> they have their own camp david. >> with the choicloisted nuns. they'll probably get better food.
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for -- as someone put it, i think -- a cardinal who is the secretary of pope john paul ii is now the archbishop of poland. they said, why didn't he resign when he was old in sick, he said, he continue come down off the cross. there is a lot to be said forbearing one's burden to the end. but i do think that it's been hundreds of years since the last pope resigned. i wouldn't be surprised if we saw it happen again in the next hundred years. his resignation i think in service of the church has actually said this is an act of humility. people talk about how can one give up such a big and important and powerful position, i think there is also another way that this is humble, it's not lost upon the pope that in stepping down it may be perceived that this is an act of weakness or abandonment and i think that probably in many ways for this man, being sort of the kind, gentleman he is was probably more difficult for him than walking away from all the trappings of the papacy. jenna: your quick thoughts on the legacy he leaves behind. >> there are two things he'll be remembered for. one it's bringing the
bit? >> well, pope john paul ii a long but toward the end he was very sick. and there were discussions about whether he should resign or not. pope john fall could not do that because this was designed that he was named to be the pope. benedict comes at this in the point of view yes he was elected the pope but there comes the point where you haven't got the stamina and the office of peter is bigger than any individual pope. and i think realizes it's time for someone else to lead the church in ways he simply could not any more. it was his passion he knows and longer than his own person. >> sir, we do appreciate you joining us today. we want to thank you coming to us from rome. you are there teaching this semester. kevin irwin is a professor. thank you for joining us. >> you are very welcome. thank you. >> well, in other news today, wild weather is the other big warning. tornado touches down as people in the northeast try to resume normal routines. in mississippi, that's where that tornado was. turned through three counties leaving more than a dozen injured. the city of hattysburg was hit
by pope john paul ii. now, pope benedict told vatican cardinals that he didn't have the strength to go on. people we spoke to this morning said all of the other popes except one have died in office. why couldn't he? but others were sympathetic. >> i was listening to the catholic radio station and they were saying he wanted to resign even before. right now, he feels this is it. so god bless him. >> reporter: the 85-year-old ally last day of pope will be february 28th. the last time the pope resigned was nearly 600 years ago, when pope gregory xii stepped down in an effort to end the civil war within the church. pope benedict xvi was born in 1927 as joseph ratzinger. he served in the army but deserted and was eventually captured by americans and then released. his decision sets the stage for a new pope to be elected before the end of march. the san francisco archdiocese just opened about a minute ago. we are hoping to speak to someone from there and get reaction on this event. >> all right. tara, you can get more information about the surprise resignation announcement about the pope by goin
remember how pope john paul ii was so young when he was elected. i think he was 56 or 57. a young man. >> he used to go skiing all the time. >> he was elected when he was 78 years old. >> yeah. so we watched him turn into an elderly man that was very frail. remember how long it took, we waited and waited. i can remember i was on a plane when he finally passed. but he didn't -- i mean, he was not healthy at the end and he didn't resign. so that's what i don't really understand, ross, right? >> well, traditionally, they haven't resigned. so -- >> 1415, yeah. >> so he's 2005, he's 86. so that's five, six, seven, eight -- >> i think what we're all dancing around the issue of whether or not there's more to it, right? is that what we're getting at? >> is there something else we don't know about. >> all of them have gotten elderly and they have essentially died in office and that's when they begin to look for a new pope. that is no happening in this case. >> right. you said it would be pure speculation. it's probably best not to specula speculate, at least you filled us in that at this point
. the other 50 were appointed by his predecessor, pope john paul ii. so, directly, no, he will not have any input into the conclave, but, indirectly, because he had such an important role in appointing those cardinals, he will have some role to play, but not directly, as i said. christi? >> ben wedemen, thank you so much as we look at live pictures there from vatican tv. >>> coming up in our 8:00 hour here, we'll take a closer look at the intrigue and the secrecy in the church, as well as hollywood's obsession with the vatican, you know, it's there. >>> i want to talk to you about what's happening back here at home. a blinding whiteout in detroit. this is on a major freeway. no immediate reports of fatal y fatalities. 44 vehicles that collided saturday on interstate 75. listen it to this couple who was caught in the middle of that i-75 smash up. >> it was just like somebody suddenly threw a white sheet across the windshield and we couldn't see anything. >> you could hear all the cars banging. >> detroit is not the only place getting snow. here's meteorologist samantha mohr with more of our
on the mission of the papacy. pope benedict is 58 years old. he became pope in 2005 after the death of john paul ii. there is no information as to when a conclave to elect a new pope will begin though it will not happen until after the pope's resignation date. the last pope to resign was way back in the 1200s actually major headline out of rome. pope benedict xvi is resigning. we'll have much more on this coming throughout the morning. >>> talk about our weather now from mississippi to maine. it will be a day of cleaning up after mother nature. the deep south took a direct hit from a tornado on sunday. at the same time, the northeast is still digging out after a blizzard dumped as much as three feet of snow. what a mess up there. and it will still be kind of canadiansy the rest of the week too, right? >> well, potentially. have you to wonder because so far this winter, we have abeen kind of just getting by. >> skirting it. >> it has been very close. you have to wonder when mother nature will deliver one. it looks like a few chances for winter weather later this week. for this morning, just some
celebration, he did look weaker and weaker, but then he again he is an 85-year-old man. john paul ii before him was even in worse shape and he did not resign. nobody was really expecting him to resign or abdicate, as was said in a previous conversation. so, it did come as a surprise, for sure. we have, just right here at the vatican right now in st. peter's square, there are a few faces that express his belief when asked what the cameras are all about. i'm telling them that the pope is about to resign. nobody can really believe that because that is unprecedented in modern times. there was a pope in the 13th century that resigned but certainly this hasn't happen ed >> there is concern that this is more than just a pope aging, that there are more health concerns. have you heard anything like that? >> reporter: there are a lot of allegations, of course, in the house of pope benedict xvi, a lot of rumors going around in the past few months that he wasn't doing so well. but as usual as ever with the vatican, it's always very fickle to get complete and full survey on the actual health of the pope
. this is an 85-year-old man with a lot of respond, of course, but still his predecessor john paul ii, he was very ill, and unable to walk, unable to speak, evening, and he still carried on until he died. well, pope benedict xiv decided to go against almost every rule as the last pope that resigned was in the 13th century, and decide the to just give away to a younger pope that may be has got more strength and stamina to carry on with the church's mission. >> the basilica of the national shrine of the immaculate conception is the largest roman catholic church on this continent right here in northeast washington. >> jim rosenfield has reaction from the pope's news from the spiritual leaders of washington's catholics. jim? >> reporter: cardinal wuehrl expressing surprise. he got the call telling him the pope plans to abdicate coming up just a a little over two weeks from today i want my first reaction. was it's very startling, totally unprepared for it. the second reaction was, we're going to have to now think a little differently. this will be the first time in modern history that we've had a pope
john paul ii back in 1981 said he was following orders from iran's. >> the weapons were from a group that called for an end to the u.s. military presence found on a vessel intercepted in january. >> he was observed operating erratically and low in the water. so a routine boarding was conducted. arms were discovered. we had crew statements that indicated the point of origin was iran. >> beyond yemen, a new british report concludes iran has been expanding its footprint in africa by secretly supplying unmarked ammunition like the shipment uncovered in lagos in 2010 to fuel regional conflicts. the report describes iran's role in the sudan as sustained and potentially escalating. fox news is told that an israeli strike on the sudanese warehouse in objecting was linked to the iran smuggling operation. the head of the house intelligence committee who receives regular briefings on iran. >> it's to escalate arms flow. why, they're feeling the pressure of sanctions. >> while tehran denies involvement, this week authorities link last summer's bus bombing that killed 5 aisraelfiveisraeli tourist
when pope john paul died he was 85 years old. the current pope is 85 as well and if you reach a certain age and you cannot function. you should step down and give way to younger people. no american has ever been picked as polk. why no mechanism to this code?. it is unlikely to happen here because it would give too much power the united states. that history is shown us he believes the cardinals will look some roast. that broke saturday. the red cross is helping 22 people find shelter after a deadly fire on treasure island. this apartment caught fire around 12:30 saturday morning. five people escaped one of the units, but not this little girl. seen here in a blue tank top, 10-year-old corn-lina godfrey died in the fire. neighbors whose apartments burned say their loss is not comparable to the girl's family. >> "the story really speaks for itself.it's horrible." it took firefighters nearly two hours to get the flames investigators are still trying to determine the cause. in the meantime, the red cross is working with catholic charities on new housing for the displaced residents. >> oppone
, this thing has been covered up. and what you have now is, you know, 2005, i was here when pope john paul ii died, and we had the conclave for pope benedict xvi election. now, at that time there was a lot of criticism that cardinal bernard law was coming here to take part in that conclave. at that time the vatican said that it's up to -- it's his duty, and he should come. now they're changing their tone somewhat about these others who are embroiled in these scandals and saying, well, it's up to him. they don't want now, here in the vatican, to take responsibility for these cardinals coming here. they're saying no, it's up to him. and obviously many of them were hoping that they wouldn't come. >> christiane amanpour working for us at the vatican and father albert cutie, thank you both for your input. >>> as we move along, here are two things you never want to hear in the same sentence, horse meat and ikea meatballs. it's happened and we'll explain after this break. card rewards are easy to remember with the bankamericard cash rewards credit card. earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. [ bo
predecessor, pope john paul ii. so, directly, no, he will not have any input into the conclave, but, indirectly, because he had such an important role in appointing those cardinals, he will have some role to play, but not directly, as i said. christi? >> ben wedemen, thank you so much as we look at live pictures there from vatican tv. >>> coming up in our 8:00 hour here, we'll take a closer look at the intrigue and the secrecy in the church, as well as hollywood's obsession with the vatican, you know, it's there. >>> i want to talk to you about what's happening back here at home. a blinding whiteout in detroit. this is on a major freeway. no immediate reports of fatal y fatalities. 44 vehicles that collided saturday on interstate 75. listen it to this couple who was caught in the middle of that i-75 smash up. >> it was just like somebody suddenly threw a white sheet across the windshield and we couldn't see anything. >> you could hear all the cars banging. >> detroit is not the only place getting snow. here's meteorologist samantha mohr with more of our forecast. >> getting wallope
. i was here when pope john paul ii died in 2005, and it was completely different atmosphere. on this occasion, very much an opportunity for people, the faithful, to come and contemplate the legacy of pope benedict. many appreciated him as a teacher, a thinker, an intellectual. somebody who had the courage to confront many of the issues that have plagued the church over the last decade or so. the question of, for instance, pedophilia and the priesthood and other things. very much what they heard from people is they appreciated him as someone who faced and grappled with serious issues and appreciated the fact that he had the courage to step down at this point in his life. >> ben wedeman for thus morning. thank you for the update. you can hear them breaking down from the mass said a little bit this morning. here is what will happen from now on from here. pope benedict xvi has amended the conclave law. they don't have to wait for 16 days after the papacy is vacant. cardinals under the age of 80 will take part. four ballots a day. b ballots get counted twice daily. and dark smoke
choosing a quieter life. so very different from his predecessor john paul who stayed until the very end. anthony from pennsylvania witnessed both pope's last sermons. >> they're courage in different ways. in opposite ways but the same degree of courage. >> reporter: the pope summoning the strength to say good-bye, giving up one of the most powerful roles on earth. meeting publicly with the faithful one last time. >> savannah as the pope got up to leave. there was a wave of emotion. people calling out to him, waving good-bye. many people held up banners saying thank you in return. pope benedict told the faithful i have never felt this way. >> thank you. greg burke is the senior communications adviser just with the pope in the final audience. good morning it's good to see you. >> good morning. >> sometimes tone can be lost in translation. you heard this address. how does the pope seem to you these last few days? what's his mood? . he's a serene person. i have known him as cardinal ratzinger. he took a lot of hits from john paul ii. i see him now calmer than ever. he showed a little emotio
and pope john paul ii. you can see who pope benedict chose for whatever reasons. i don't think he has a favorite. and he's certainly not going to show that he has a favorite in these days. >> okay. greg burke, thanks very much for your insight. elizabeth? >> unchartered territory. >>> turning, now, to the latest on that frantic manhunt for the rogue expolice officer, christopher dorner, on the run right now. we showed you the surveillance video that surfaced overnight. could it be a clue to where he is at this moment? abc's pierre thomas is tracking the latest on this story. in los angeles. pierre, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, elizabeth. it's becoming clear dorner could be anywhere. and this morning, there's evidence the hunt for him has gone international. overnight, police conducted a raid at this hotel in tijuana, mexico. they apparently found no evidence he was there. but for days, customs officials have been hunting for dorner along the southern border. and there's new details this morning about dorner's possible movements in the days before the shootings. tmz obtaine
, coming in as the oldest pope to be elected, nominated to the job following the footsteps of pope john paul ii who of course was terribly charismatic and loved but the pope benedict filled in a lot, traveling a lot and helping with important issues in the church. in a month or so we'll have a new pope, tracy. tracy: amy kellogg. this is historical stuff. father john was on "fox & friends." very humbling that he admitted he can't do it. he has got to step down. ashley: has to take courage has not been 600 years since a pope done that. tracy: he would have gotten away staying to the end. ashley: maybe but he doesn't want. a film critic blasting the star of a new hollywood hit for being fat. that is not stopping her from guiding this film to victory in this weekend's box-office. dennis kneale on the story joins us now. dennis. >> sweet vindication for melissa mccarthy. the rotund and rambunctious comic actress in first starring role, in the universal film, identity thief. this on the road comedy dominated weekend box-office with a robust 30 significance million take. far higher than forec
, pope benedict xvi does have something on pope john paul ii, the catholic church experienced a 6% increase in favorability, up from 56% during pope john paul ii's tenure and that's what the survey says. >>> coming up, she beats out her husband in almost every popularity poll. now michelle obama is back on the road and we'll look at what the second term may hold for the first lady. >>> first, the latest from south africa on where the olympic star accused of murder is now a day after being released on bail. you're watching msnbc. i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics. they even reward me for addressing my health risks. so i'm doing fine... but she's still going to give me a heart attack. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >>> more than 100 days after hurricane sand e some storm victims
of state john kerry. paul ryan is the first republican in the ratings, then marco rubio, jeb bush and speaker boehner. is it a taste of things to come if hillary runs in 2016? >> lefty blogs may be upset at steve doocy. i've seen other things on lefty blogs. i heard that steve doocy actually has calf implants. n now, i don't have any evidence to back that up whatsoever. >> no. >> but, you know, just put a question mark at that. can we put a question mark at the end of that? >> you're referring to, of course, his own personal blog being implanted -- >> sam thought about getting calf implants because we're on a basketball team together. >> that's why he only does television from the waist up. >> exactly. >> just kind of a vanity thing. >> there is a nugget of probably something actually worth discussing here, which is our national obsession with hillary clinton and also the way women are scrutinized in the public lens. >> oh, totally. totally. >> and hillary, in particular, is an incredible sort of sign post for what we'll call the male gaze, given the scrutiny of the way she looks
in the developed world. the italians had a claim on the papacy a long time until john paul the iind now, they had a poll and german in the seat and i imagine they would be interested having it back in italy. at the same time, there is very good talent outside europe that might be able to lead the church. i think they'll look widely but won't be simply geographical, what kind of vision will they have going forward and considerations of age and health obviously in this case. i think all those will be on the table. >> they say you want to live in interesting times. certainly, we all are going to get a chance to watch how the pope's voice is absorbed into this discussion by the conclave, right? how much of a voice will he have in this? >> caller: i suspect he will have very little or none. if he's prudent, i don't think he will try to appoint his own successor, let the cardinals choose one of their own because they have to live with the decision. this is an unprecedented situation. popes don't generally pick their successors and i don't think he will. my suspicion is he will retreat from the process
is his humility. he almost shrugged and said compared to john paul ii, he said, boy, i don't know if i'm up for this but i'll given it a shot. he's winsome in his frailness and humanity. >> and such humanity covering this story, that he was getting his arms around. he took us to rome and vatican. we were there in june of 2011. his love for not only the man but his institution. it was evident then. >> he took us around and gave us a tour i will never forget. >> anyway, we hope to be spend a lot of time with cardinal dolan over the coming weeks. we thank him for coming by this morning. >> one of the many people adjusting to this news. let's turn to george weigel. it's good to see you. >> hi, savannah, how are you? >> very well. this is being framed as an act of great humility. you have to go back to the middle ages to find somebody that add voe indicated the papacy in this matter. what do you think the legacy of pope benedict will be? >> i think pope benedict is the greatest preacher in the world today. he has a remarkable capacity to express the beautiful truth of the christian faith in
the kind of italian curia that is the traditional source of popes until really pope john paul. and i think we'll end up with a similarly conservative pope. >> yeah, reverend al asked me during the commercial break what i thought. not that i would know anything about who's going to be the next pope. but one thing's for certain. given the last two popes' selection of cardinals throughout the world, they are all invariably quite conservative. so the next pope is going to, more probably than not, be similarly conservative. it's a bag job, the college of cardinals. they have rigged the deck. they have rigged the deck. >> but what you'll have, too -- >> spoken like a true catholic. >> you could have the first african pope. you could have the first latino pope. but ironically, those guys would be very conservative. you know, the growth of the church in africa is a very conservative movement. the same thing in latin america, although there's a bit of a protestant refirmation. he will be very conservative. >> everybody's talking about the possibility of an african pope. i just don't think it's goin
was standing in precisely the same place back in 2005, eight years ago when pope john paul ii died and we went into the conclave which finally produced pope benedict xvi. that took a week and several false starts. when they can't come to a consensus you have the black smoke emanating from that special chimney in st. peter's and then finally the white smoke and then you don't even know who it is until the archbishop deacon cardinals deacon comes to the window and announces a new pope and only after that the new pope comes to the within to and is greeted. but that was still at least two weeks away. at least tweaks away from that being finalized. >> is the italian media still all over the scandals that are going on involving sex and intrigue, all that stuff that we've seen in those rome newspapers over the past few days, or have they moved on? >> well, they pretty much moved on. that of course was a big story over the weekend and into monday, the beginning of this week. as you can imagine it drove the vatican mad. they were really angry, angry with the press for writing about it, angry for people
of language. after john paul ii it's now taken for granted that the pope shubd a master of many language s. you also look for skill and organization. the pope manages a large bureaucracy. there's a great need for reform of that. but i go back primarily, someone who is an effective evangelizer in today's society. >> first off, cardinal francis arinze. >> i would be surprised if he is elected pope just given his age. pope benedict was 78 when he was elected now is resigning because of old age. cardinal arinze is already 80. he is a bit of a television personality, especially in the english speaking world, he has become well known. very articulate. charming, funny man. he is also involved in the interreligious dialogue for many years, which would make him an attractive figure. >> cardinal peter terkurkson is getting a lot of attention. age 64, so not a problem there. >> yeah. he speaks perfect english, has a sense of the international church. he is also the head of the council for peace and justice. very involved in economic and political issues, but leans a bit left in terms of the mainstray
rand paul is not satisfied with john brennan's answers or lack thereof. a film generating major controversy ahead of the academy awards. >> i am bad news. i'm not your friend. not going to help you. i'm going to break you. any questions? jenna: well, we've heard the complaints from some lawmakers but why are some in hollywood denouncing "zero dark thirty." ahead of the academy awards? we'll tell you next hey, our salads. [ bop ] [ bop ] [ bop ] you can do that all you want, i don't like v8 juice. [ male announcer ] how about v8 v-fusion. a full serving of vegetables, a full serving of fruit. but what you taste is the fruit. so even you... could've had a v8. jenna: concerns over the possible use of drone strikes inside the united states could, maybe, derail the president's pick to lead the cia. senator rand paul of kentucky now threatening to filibuster john brennan's nomination saying he is not satisfied with the nominee's response whether drone strikes on americans in the united states is legal. and in a letter earlier to brennan this week senator paul said, quote, the question
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